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Just imagine how this would feel if it happened to you: You have gone on maternity leave and you come back after seven and a bit months away. But, when you get back, you find you don鈥檛 have a desk and no one has bothered to tell the rest of your team that you have returned.

Extraordinarily, that is what happened to Gauri Talathi-Lamb. She is the chief executive of M&E consultant FHP, a 拢7m turnover business with six offices and nearly 80 staff stretching from Glasgow down to London. Its clients include the government, as well as real estate firm JLL and US multinational Johnson & Johnson.

Talathi-Lamb is recalling the story, which occurred at a previous employer, in part to say how much of an impact it had on her 鈥� and what not to do now she鈥檚 a boss.

鈥淥ne of our team members has just gone on maternity leave and I鈥檝e made a point to say to her that we鈥檙e waiting for you. Whatever you decide, you just need to know you鈥檙e coming back and you鈥檒l be welcome.鈥�

Another landmark moment for her, again at a previous firm, was this: 鈥淚 was in a meeting and people said, 鈥楾his person is young, she鈥檚 just married, maybe she鈥檚 going to have a child, let鈥檚 not promote them鈥�.

鈥淲ould you ever do that to a man? I was young and na茂ve and didn鈥檛 speak up [but] it has stayed with me since. That was a deciding time in my life. After that, I鈥檝e never stopped myself from speaking my mind.鈥�

Would you ask a man if he is able to do his job properly?

There is more: 鈥淚 was asked, coming back from maternity leave, 鈥楢re you sure you want to do this job, which is going to take up a lot of time? It鈥檚 a very demanding job, you鈥檙e a new mum鈥�. That was all said. Would you ask a man if he is able to do his job properly?鈥�

Born in India, 39 years ago Talathi-Lamb came to the UK when she was 21. 鈥淚 knew no one, had no family here.鈥�

Since then, she has got married, had a son, worked for household names such as Hugo Boss and White Stuff and, in 2019, became boss of FHP after she and husband James bought the firm through the private equity firm they own called Iolas Capital.

That was four months before covid struck and the country was put into lockdown. But the company, whose roots stretch back to the 1970s, survived and an income then of around 拢5m is projected to be double that by 2026.

For someone whose career on the face of it has been in retail, Talathi-Lamb鈥檚  background is mechanical engineering, having graduated from the Victoria Jubilee Technical Institute, which has since changed its name, in Mumbai.

After graduating, she worked at Arvind Mills, the second-largest denim producer in the world, before leaving Gujarat, where it is based, and returning to Mumbai. She left for the UK to do a masters in brand management at Istituto Marangoni, an Italian fashion and design college which has a site in London.

Her first job in London was for a company called Club 21, a fashion retailer which used to manage luxury brands such as Calvin Klein, Armani and Paul Smith. 鈥淚 helped build their website and do their PR.鈥�

Then it was off to high street retailer White Stuff, where she stayed for seven years before joining Hugo Boss, heading up its northern Europe section for real estate, which included the UK, Scandinavia and the Baltic countries.

Her passion was space planning and how stores were laid out, so she describes herself as working in shop construction. After that it was off to the Belgian chocolatier Godiva before switching to the more earthy world of M&E consulting four years ago.

She and James, who she met at a birthday party, bought FHP from a team behind an MBO of the business and describes her role as operations and construction-led, with her husband 鈥渕ore of a silent partner, focusing on the finance鈥�.

So many times I鈥檝e turned up on site and they say, 鈥榃e expected a man鈥�. I鈥檓 a big surprise! Deal with it. What can you say?

She struggles to name too many peers who are women, let alone women of colour and admits: 鈥淪o many times I鈥檝e turned up on site and they say, 鈥榃e expected a man鈥�. I鈥檓 a big surprise! Deal with it. What can you say?鈥�

She thinks that women are more prone to losing confidence than men. 鈥淪elf-doubt is a thing for women, I think. If you have a list of 10 things in a job advert, for example, a woman will only apply if she hits eight or nine of them. A man will say, 鈥業鈥檝e kind of got five, I think that should be good enough to apply and see what happens鈥�.

鈥淵ou come back from maternity, self-doubt takes over. Will I remember my job properly? I took seven-and-a-half months off.鈥�

How, then, to make things better for women in this industry? 鈥淚t still has a greasy hands image. I started going to and speaking at schools, told [the children], 鈥楾rust me, the image you鈥檝e got doesn鈥檛 align with what we鈥檙e doing in the industry鈥�. You have to break it down for their understanding.鈥�

Diversity is not just about colour or gender. It鈥檚 about different personalities as well and we all bring a personality to the workplace 

She thinks simple things will also help. 鈥淚f four or five men are having a conversation about football, it becomes very difficult to join in that conversation. I don鈥檛 like football,鈥� adding: 鈥淚鈥檓 not even a follower of cricket.鈥�

She says: 鈥淥ne of the things we do [at FHP] is to tell the team leaders to find a topic where other people are welcome, to give an opinion and the more the leaders do it the more the team will feel involved. Diversity is not just about colour or gender. It鈥檚 about different personalities as well and we all bring a personality to the workplace.

鈥淚f others can join in a conversation 鈥� and I鈥檓 not just talking about women 鈥� you start understanding each other a lot more. If it鈥檚 a closed network, it鈥檚 very difficult to break in and you feel like an outsider.鈥�

The war on talent should mean more opportunities for women, Talathi-Lamb says. 鈥淭he shortage in engineers has led people to become more open and receptive. People are looking at CVs for experience and not a person.鈥�

Talathi-Lamb is part of the Mentoring Circle initiative which provides a year-long development programme for junior female professionals in the real estate industry. Its aim is to improve female talent retention and increase the number of women in senior leadership positions.

The programme 鈥渋nvolves a dedicated one-to-one mentoring partnership with a senior female leader, regular guest speaking events, networking opportunities and a bespoke two day leadership development programme鈥�.

More of this is needed, she reckons. 鈥淲omen supporting each other and networking on a professional level 鈥� that has changed from when I started.

Bringing women on to a board means it will have a different view from a static male leadership board

鈥淎ccess to leadership has changed. Things like LinkedIn give you the chance to reach out to each other and, don鈥檛 forget, a lot of the students have access to LinkedIn.鈥�

As for getting more female leadership on to boards, it鈥檚 not about box ticking. 鈥淏ringing women on to a board means it will have a different view from a static male leadership board. You will get a different perspective and it鈥檚 important for the team 鈥� they will see it.鈥�

Things, then, are improving and certainly have come on from a well-meaning but baffling attempt from team members, at a previous employer, to give her a boost the next time she walked onto a site. 鈥淚 was given a pink hard hat and boots,鈥� she says.

鈥淚 think it was like 鈥榞irl power鈥� on site. I said, 鈥業f I walk with this on site, my career is over鈥�. I think [the team] thought it was a positive thing but I was like, 鈥楪uys, no. They will laugh at me for the rest of my life鈥�.鈥�

Needless to say, the pink hard hat and boots never saw the light of day.